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BroodingEvil · Apr 20, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by milkflopance

Warriors can deal more damage to single targets than fire eles. Clearly they need a nerf too.

Now that is a load of crap if I ever heard one. Warriors are the red-headed stepchild of guild wars. If you try to go all out attack with a warrior, you're likely going to hit the ground before you hit your enemy.

Tyla · Apr 20, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

Now that is a load of crap if I ever heard one. Warriors are the red-headed stepchild of guild wars. If you try to go all out attack with a warrior, you're likely going to hit the ground before you hit your enemy.

The more I find clueless idiots like you are posting, the more I lose faith in the community.
It's been backed up several times.

Infact, maybe I should dig up Ensign's "Why Nuking Sucks" thread.
And infact, that thread's info is still viable...

I can has backup statement?

Proff · Apr 20, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Monks don't deal a lot of damage does that mean they're useless and should be replaced by fire eles? Each element has it's use just like each profession has it's as well.

JR · Apr 20, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

Now that is a load of crap if I ever heard one. Warriors are the red-headed stepchild of guild wars. If you try to go all out attack with a warrior, you're likely going to hit the ground before you hit your enemy.

Are you playing the same game as the rest of us?

milan · Apr 20, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Fire builds are generally simple 1,2,3,4,5 fire and forget scenarios while the other elements generally require at least a little thought.

With that little amount of thought I can outdamage fire with an air ele no problem.

Stormlord Alex · Apr 20, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

This thread is full of silly people.
The OP thinks that burning is stronger than KD (rofl) - surely that should've been a threadlock right there...?

lol @ BroodingEvil. Just lol.

RPGmaniac · Apr 20, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

Now that is a load of crap if I ever heard one. Warriors are the red-headed stepchild of guild wars. If you try to go all out attack with a warrior, you're likely going to hit the ground before you hit your enemy.

You don't need 8 attack skills to achieve great DPS. For a warrior, auto attacking alone is decent DPS assuming you have 14 weapon mastery (which is optimal for warriors anyway).

Back to the OP: there are only a couple of skills that are spammable that cause burning. One is searing flames, which is elite and pretty energy intensive without glowing gaze and an attunement. The other is immolate, which is decent but there are better skills out there. There's also mind burn, but if you try to spam that you'll tear through your energy in no time due to exhaustion.

Stormlord Alex · Apr 20, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

And for what it's worth - you will see 99% of eles in AB as Fire because Fire is very good at blowing up Shrines and idiots. There's a large amount of both to be killed in AB, therefore Fire is a good element to play.

Fire, however, is in no way overpowered - basic positioning and kiting will neuter a lot of a Fire guy's damage, and any kind of interrupt or spell hate will leave him helpless. Fire is only dangerous if you're bad.

Randvek · Apr 20, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Fire is pretty powerful, we'll grant you that. But it's balanced by the fact that Fire can't really do anything but deal damage. No utility.

If you have a problem with Fire Elementalists, reconsider your build.

angmar_nite · Apr 20, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

The only thing good about fire in high end pve is Mind blast and rodgort's invocation and by extension fire attunement. Ward against Melee, Foes, Deep Freeze, Blinding flash, gale, are all far more useful than most fire spells.

And rofl and broodingevil.

BroodingEvil · Apr 20, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

RPGmaniac, have you ever heard of mark of rodgort?

Stormlord Alex, have you ever been in a meteor shower? Am I bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage?

Squishy ftw · Apr 20, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

you can like..you know.. get the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out of the meteor shower ?

you can also see the meteor shower comming? those big rocks falling out of the sky?

get out when you see that..

magicman117 · Apr 20, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Not only does earths special of knock down occur with earth magic, But fire can knock down too! YAY

Alex the Great · Apr 20, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

warriors- more damage
sins- more damage (even with the nerfs)
rangers- *insert elite skill that gives condition*+ apply poison+ interupts= better

other classes- too lazy, so lets skip to the good part

fire- aoe damage, burning (burning is not that debilitating, the poblem is in ab you probably dont have a monk)

earth- makes you invinicible, party support

air- only element i ever run if i play Ab. full on melee shutdown, and sweet single target damage

water- ahhhh water sucks, i mean, who cares if they can't hit anything and cant move?

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

Now that is a load of crap if I ever heard one. Warriors are the red-headed stepchild of guild wars. If you try to go all out attack with a warrior, you're likely going to hit the ground before you hit your enemy.

jesus, do i have to explain this to everyone!!! I had to take a guildy to the master of damage, and with Dslash i did more dps than arcane echoed sandstorms. warriors do the most damage, becasue even though you MAY see high numbers on an ele, spells take time to cast, and have recharge times so dmage isnt constant. warriors can spam attacks, which add armour ignoring damage

angmar_nite · Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Do you want to stand in the same spot for 5 seconds waiting for damage and knockdown?? Furthermore, armor unignoring damage = bad damage in High end pve.

OSUJay · Apr 20, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

RPGmaniac, have you ever heard of mark of rodgort?

Stormlord Alex, have you ever been in a meteor shower? Am I bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage?

Yeah we've all been in them, the difference between us and you though is we moved out of them and you stood there.

Teutonic Paladin · Apr 20, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

RPGmaniac, have you ever heard of mark of rodgort?

Stormlord Alex, have you ever been in a meteor shower? Am I bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage?

It takes me about two seconds to run from one side of a meteor shower to the other, far less if I'm standing in the middle. How long does it take you?

RPGmaniac · Apr 20, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

RPGmaniac, have you ever heard of mark of rodgort?

Stormlord Alex, have you ever been in a meteor shower? Am I bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage?

BroodingEvil, have you ever heard of: Remove Hex, Cure Hex, Divert Hexes, Holy Veil, or Deny Hexes?

Also, your character has these things called "legs". They allow you to move out of the way of AoEs. Try using them.

Stormlord Alex · Apr 20, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by BroodingEvil

Stormlord Alex, have you ever been in a meteor shower?

I learned to press Q and E a long time ago.

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Am I bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage?

Yes. Yes you are.

Jam Jar · Apr 20, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

You've got to take in the fact that Ele's have low armor

. Add in the fact that going /E is gimmicky, and you've got a squishy target

.

Apr 20, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09	#32
Squishy ftw Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Your backline Profession: W/	you can like..you know.. get the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out of the meteor shower ? you can also see the meteor shower comming? those big rocks falling out of the sky? get out when you see that.. Last edited by Squishy ftw; Apr 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM // 22:12..

Apr 20, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13	#35
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	Do you want to stand in the same spot for 5 seconds waiting for damage and knockdown?? Furthermore, armor unignoring damage = bad damage in High end pve. Last edited by angmar_nite; Apr 20, 2008 at 10:18 PM // 22:18..

Apr 20, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46	#23
Proff Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2007	Monks don't deal a lot of damage does that mean they're useless and should be replaced by fire eles? Each element has it's use just like each profession has it's as well.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#25
milan Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: BONE Profession: N/	Fire builds are generally simple 1,2,3,4,5 fire and forget scenarios while the other elements generally require at least a little thought. With that little amount of thought I can outdamage fire with an air ele no problem.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#26
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	This thread is full of silly people. The OP thinks that burning is stronger than KD (rofl) - surely that should've been a threadlock right there...? lol @ BroodingEvil. Just lol.

Apr 20, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57	#28
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	And for what it's worth - you will see 99% of eles in AB as Fire because Fire is very good at blowing up Shrines and idiots. There's a large amount of both to be killed in AB, therefore Fire is a good element to play. Fire, however, is in no way overpowered - basic positioning and kiting will neuter a lot of a Fire guy's damage, and any kind of interrupt or spell hate will leave him helpless. Fire is only dangerous if you're bad.

Apr 20, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01	#29
Randvek Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Rise From the Ashes [phnx] Profession: W/	Fire is pretty powerful, we'll grant you that. But it's balanced by the fact that Fire can't really do anything but deal damage. No utility. If you have a problem with Fire Elementalists, reconsider your build.

Apr 20, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08	#30
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	The only thing good about fire in high end pve is Mind blast and rodgort's invocation and by extension fire attunement. Ward against Melee, Foes, Deep Freeze, Blinding flash, gale, are all far more useful than most fire spells. And rofl and broodingevil.

Apr 20, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08	#31
BroodingEvil Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008	RPGmaniac, have you ever heard of mark of rodgort? Stormlord Alex, have you ever been in a meteor shower? Am I bad for being knocked down every three seconds and subsequently hammered with damage?

Apr 20, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10	#33
magicman117 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: Devils Among Gods Profession: Mo/Me	Not only does earths special of knock down occur with earth magic, But fire can knock down too! YAY

Apr 20, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20	#40
Jam Jar Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: [Disc] Profession: W/	You've got to take in the fact that Ele's have low armor . Add in the fact that going /E is gimmicky, and you've got a squishy target .